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Derrivitive, talentless bunches of nerds floating like so much algae on the pond of popular scum or a viable form of artistic expression?

"Derrivitive, talentless bunches of nerds" .... 'was tagged with timc'

cheers alex

that does offend me, yeah.

that wasn't deliberate!

derivative *and* a viable form of artistic expression, i say

show me a band that isn't derivative of something or other

and i'll show you

i dunno

unicorn, or something

believe Pop Punk is one of the pinnacles of human achievement

(I)

a unicorn

what are we defining as pop punk?

erm...

i mean, noone ever goes 'Sunn O))) are so derivative, they're such an Earth rip-off'

Blink 182, Back One Out, Alkaline Trio, Something Corporate, New Found Glory

Sum 41

everything's derivative

no i draw the line at sum 41, sorry

Sunn O))) have no place in this chat!

yeah

i know

Does This Look Infected? was a good album!

just saying

ehy're as derivative as a pop punk band

just off less opular things

popular

mmm

i hate blink 182

hater!

all there songs sound the same

good girl!

i went there

no they don't

i said it

know one that sounds different

well done

you haven't heard it

that one's proto-pop-punk

Heavenly are so not pop punk

pre-proto-pop-punk

England can't DO pop punk

oh come on

it accidentally turns it into ska or hardcore

maybe a bit too jangly

its true, our voices arent whiney enough

skardcore

skagcore

The Libertines?

sounds delightful

they're not pop punk

hahah

too 60s

true

they're just shit

Blink 182 - Enema of the State

punk

pop

i like NOFX

masterpiece

theyre good.

nofx lost it though

blink 182 peaked as they exploded

reel big fixh

was far too far

reel big fuck off to that tim

although that was that awful ska rubbish

Iliked nofx until War on Errorism

boomtown rats

that only had ONE good song

hahaah

who invited you, Paul?

get out

you just don't like being found out

as a posturer and a liar

Boomtown Rats are not pop punk

yeah, war on errorism was a bit more politically active than musically active...

are you exposing him as a boomtown rats fan, paul?

but the boomtown rats=LEG END

that's a serious accusation

saying that I don't MIND politics - The Decline was one of the best songs/albums ever

buzzcocks

they are proto-pop punk

i know, i mean it lacked any musical genius thats all

yeah

and the last one was WORSE

tonight on DAteline NBC: To Catch A Booktown Rats Fan

Boomtown

they made this LAME song about Propagandhi

which one was the last one?

i really should learn to type

nd Propagandhi wrote a BRILLIANT one dissing them

pop punk BEEF 2006

oh right.. i should look that up

and tim, typings over rated, i mean, we are all sat next to each other

ok, the shop assistants aren't pop punk

presumably you are ruling out the clash on the basis that they sounded a bit reggae

the buzzcocks have to be in there first though

yes

i'm even less good at talking

:-)

listen

pop punk did not exist pre 1990

undertones

oh christ yes

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pop_punk

educate thyself

s

rubbish

'Love Bites' is a perfect pop-punk album

The Undertones can bite/blow/suck me

hopefully not all at once

worst band ever dot com

that's a buzzcocks album

but yeah

:-)

i would exclude the ramones on the grounds that punk cannot encompass anything derived from anything with a duck's ass haircut

Buzzcocks are good

but not as good as Stiff Little Fingers

this is like Queen trying to do green day

who aren't pop punk either

exactly tim

xactly

greenday are just...

but

greenday

but

slf were just punk

Misfits!

we need some misfits!

American Idiot - worst protest album ever

especially last caress

so gloriously offensive

american idiot. oh dear. what is it with these bands? it always seems that their newer albums are rubbish compared to their old ones

lyrics to Propagandhi - Rock For Sustainable Capitalism and NOFX - The Marxist Brothers

indeed

system of a down, NOFX, greenday etc

that's a sad conundrum

SOAD aren't pop punk

i know,

stop talking about them then

fine

}:-(

ha what the hell face is that supposed to be?!

angry!

oh right

it has angry eyebrows

ill er stop making you angry then

cos i don't want to see your eyebrows curl like that in reallife

norme

nor_me

so it says here Avril Lavigne is pop punk

ng...

the adverts

interesting...

I heart the Adverts

but they were before '94 also, Paul

gaye advert versus avril lavigne

proto-pop punk

no she's not. she's just blonde... she wanted to be pop punk when she first started but she aint nowadays.

i rest my case

girlfriend?! what was that about...

I think it was about stealing peoples' boyfriends

yrically pretty ocmplex...

l

she's a bad person

well yeah, it was just a scary song

morally questionable

It's nice to know you guys at playlouder work hard for a living, seriously, kudos on electronically debating a genre of music within the same building for almost half an hour ;)

Misfits. All the way Tim!

half an hour? That's nothing

I could debate this for a day or two at the very least

I might create a festival of pop punk debate

h no music

no music, no tents, just debate

I could call it The Mass Debate

...

Right, an actual opinion on Pop Punk then. I believe, like many genres, it has a time and a place. For example, no-one listens to Mozart at drunken parties. That would be because Beethoven is far better. But seriously though, listening to Blink 182 as you walk through town with a slightly emotional fringe doesn't look too good either. Pop Punk is fun, full of clever hooks, often devoid of much talent, but so what?

and...erm...Mass Debating for 1 or 2 days? You're going to regret that the next day....

Anyway, back to the task in hand...

um...oh...I honestly didn't mean the double entendre there...

You were saying about Green Day losing it with American Idiot, that was because it became too polished and began to move away from the raw energy and sheer pointlessness which appealed to us in the first place. I don't want to contemplate the clever use of digital effects processing on the vocal track to American Idiot, or contemplate the possible events leading to the death of St Jimmy, while I'm raving, thankyou.

he needs a nosecoder

like the dude from Avenged Sevenfold

they should sing through their mouths

Thanks for the NOFX vs PROPAGHANDI BEEF 2006 heads up. Nofx had some kind of point in there amongst the half-assed nonsensical lyrics, but it seems Propaghandi inevitably kicked their asses by being wittier and being more right (ha). But how do they SOUND, eh?

The first track on the new Offspring album has a chorus exactly like that of "So long and goodnight" by My Chemical Romance. Luckily this is broken up by their trademark buzz-saw guitar verses. The kids'll never know!

Pop punk = a contradiction in terms

And I'm surprised that no one has voiced quite that opinion yet

The Buzzcocks = post-Motown punk. Poppy structure and lyrical themes, but none of this predictable major chord progression that we're forced to endure nowadays.

I just want to go on the record to say that Green Day have never, EVER appealed to me.

U2 began life as a (sort of) punk band - would any of their early albums count as 'pop punk' in this context?

The term 'pop punk' itself is a hollow, corporate marketing ploy and smacks of clueless (posing as clued-up) music-biz wankery.

I think expecting genre tags to make etymological s